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leia131THE FOLLOWING ARE MY OPINIONS AND MY OPINIONS ONLY. PLEASE FORGIVE ME IF I AM TOTALLY OFF.
(Cut because it turned out to be really long)
In so many, and I mean like the vast majority, of cultures in this world there is a ceremony that signifies the change from child to adult, and that involves pain. At the age of 10 or maybe as old as 15, all kids in these cultures do something or have something done to them that makes them an adult and hurts. And they do it voluntarily. And they're proud to do it. We don't have that. We don’t have either a clear line that divides childhood from adulthood, or a painful ceremony. Our culture is soft and comfortable. Maybe that's why kids have no respect for anything or anyone. Maybe that's why there's all this teen angst and idiocy. We don’t know when to grow up, or what exactly is expected of us once we get there.
And don't give me this bullshit about 18 meaning you're an adult. Nothing changes when you're 18 except that you can order Girls Gone Wild off the television. The expectations for your behavior and role in society don’t suddenly and dramatically alter. You don’t have to do anything special, and you aren’t really treated any differently.
And it makes me think that this is a problem in our society, this gradual change from child to adult, instead of an instantaneous one. Maybe this has something to do with cutting. Because in our culture we have no pain for teens to go through, no outlet for this instinctual need that is seen in scarification and real tattoos in other cultures.
Given I know exactly shit about why people cut themselves, but I now think it has to do with a subconscious need to prove something by enduring pain. The thing they prove in other places is that they are ready to become adults. Who cuts themselves here mostly? Teenagers.
And another thing. Go ahead and bitch about our government. I don’t mind. Hell, I probably even agree with you on a lot of the issues. But don’t stop there. If you’re going to criticize our government and compare it to other places in the world and say that they’re better or they have it right, then you also have to look at other places where they don’t have it right.
And I don’t mean Iraq or anything. I am not even going to think about going there. I’m going to criticize the governments in Africa and South America where they are so enamored with Western ideals and beliefs that they are giving up their traditions and ways of living that they have held for thousands of years and forcing their people to do so as well. Where they pass laws saying that people can’t go into town unless they are ‘properly dressed’. That is, properly dressed in castoff rags from well-meaning missionaries and bastard Westernizers, instead of the robes or thongs that they’re had for centuries.
It just makes me so mad. Say what you want about our government, (and yes I realize we have to wear certain things to go certain places, but we’re not going back on hundreds of years of tradition and betraying our fellow countrymen so we can appeal to higher powers) but don’t for one second tell me that you’d rather live in a place where you can’t pierce what you want or do the dances you’ve always done. Don’t for one instant tell me that you want to live in a place where they’d make laws that force you to do things tantamount to walking around naked in our culture, and you couldn’t get a driver’s license anymore, or go out dancing in clubs or choose who you wanted to marry or wear make-up or get a tattoo or own a dog.
Because I don’t believe it.
That was a rant. And it felt good.
(Cut because it turned out to be really long)
In so many, and I mean like the vast majority, of cultures in this world there is a ceremony that signifies the change from child to adult, and that involves pain. At the age of 10 or maybe as old as 15, all kids in these cultures do something or have something done to them that makes them an adult and hurts. And they do it voluntarily. And they're proud to do it. We don't have that. We don’t have either a clear line that divides childhood from adulthood, or a painful ceremony. Our culture is soft and comfortable. Maybe that's why kids have no respect for anything or anyone. Maybe that's why there's all this teen angst and idiocy. We don’t know when to grow up, or what exactly is expected of us once we get there.
And don't give me this bullshit about 18 meaning you're an adult. Nothing changes when you're 18 except that you can order Girls Gone Wild off the television. The expectations for your behavior and role in society don’t suddenly and dramatically alter. You don’t have to do anything special, and you aren’t really treated any differently.
And it makes me think that this is a problem in our society, this gradual change from child to adult, instead of an instantaneous one. Maybe this has something to do with cutting. Because in our culture we have no pain for teens to go through, no outlet for this instinctual need that is seen in scarification and real tattoos in other cultures.
Given I know exactly shit about why people cut themselves, but I now think it has to do with a subconscious need to prove something by enduring pain. The thing they prove in other places is that they are ready to become adults. Who cuts themselves here mostly? Teenagers.
And another thing. Go ahead and bitch about our government. I don’t mind. Hell, I probably even agree with you on a lot of the issues. But don’t stop there. If you’re going to criticize our government and compare it to other places in the world and say that they’re better or they have it right, then you also have to look at other places where they don’t have it right.
And I don’t mean Iraq or anything. I am not even going to think about going there. I’m going to criticize the governments in Africa and South America where they are so enamored with Western ideals and beliefs that they are giving up their traditions and ways of living that they have held for thousands of years and forcing their people to do so as well. Where they pass laws saying that people can’t go into town unless they are ‘properly dressed’. That is, properly dressed in castoff rags from well-meaning missionaries and bastard Westernizers, instead of the robes or thongs that they’re had for centuries.
It just makes me so mad. Say what you want about our government, (and yes I realize we have to wear certain things to go certain places, but we’re not going back on hundreds of years of tradition and betraying our fellow countrymen so we can appeal to higher powers) but don’t for one second tell me that you’d rather live in a place where you can’t pierce what you want or do the dances you’ve always done. Don’t for one instant tell me that you want to live in a place where they’d make laws that force you to do things tantamount to walking around naked in our culture, and you couldn’t get a driver’s license anymore, or go out dancing in clubs or choose who you wanted to marry or wear make-up or get a tattoo or own a dog.
Because I don’t believe it.
That was a rant. And it felt good.
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Date: 2005-10-16 02:28 pm (UTC)Not that I disagree with ALL of your opinions, because I don't. Some are very good points that some people should be smacked over the head with. But that one is not true. Or not always.
And yes I know more than shit about that. Ask me about it someday.
yes
Date: 2005-10-16 06:18 pm (UTC)it would make ppl feel better if they new, i don't know something of why they do it.
A lot of ppl do it for attention, they won't admitt it but secretly deep down they all do it for attention
trust me i know
and sometimes its like a fad, it sweeps cliches in schools,like the plauge.
its like if you are tough enough to cut yourself or you don't have a messed up enough life to cut yourself then you are not good enough to hang out with us.
sorry i wrote this annoymously, this is a person you know, but is too ashamed of i used to do to (cutting) to put my name with this message
i was just trying to give you some perspective
so maybe, you are right about the rituals
despite the fact that i don't nessecarily approve of inflicting pain upon yourself, despite my history...
i totally agree with you view on cultures, but the western world has always though they were suprior. And perhaps the reason why south africe and countries like that are changeing is because USA, and England and various other countries might have a better enconomey then they do, and they want to approve their economey so they change some customes
and also it probably has something to do with colonization of countries in africa
anyway just some more thoughts
~
Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-16 07:00 pm (UTC)It is only by this seemingly immature rebellion that we can learn to separate from the teachings, or preachings, bestowed upon us and become our own self, a self that borrows from ones experiences (and everything else for that matter).
Given that most of us can tell you off of the top of our heads that such is a bad idea, it will never be my or anyone else's job to tell you what is right and wrong. For the underlying principle: people are different, and therefore have different needs, values, and reasons for their decisions.
Take the girl who takes care of her siblings between the ages of ten and twelve, whilst bearing the burden of not knowing who's going to walk out of her mother's bedroom on a Saturday morning, who does her experiments with drugs and alcohol between the ages of thirteen and fourteen, bearing a child by her fifteenth year.
It is not soceity's position to condemn any of this.
Because, what is to separate it from the one whose responsibilities begin at twenty, experimenting in the years that follow, and starts their family soon after that? All I see is a mere difference in how we are raised.
Essentially, we all experience the same emotions, it is just in a different order that we do so.
I could examine my year of eighth grade and compare it to my best friend's Now. It does not make one immature or less grounded, because maybe I'll experience what she has gone through ten years from now.
Furthermore, we have all heard the phrase that, "Everything's the same bullshit, just packaged differently," and that is one of the most insightful things I have ever heard, profanities or not. No, one may never experience divorce, but I can guarantee that we all experience some form of separation be it from a toy as a child or a relationship-ending fight as a young adult. While these may alienate the ignorant, once soceity can search to the core of these feelings, we can all live more peacefully and with more understanding of others.
Thus, empathy is a valuable exercise to be practiced by all individuals, for, it is not until you are in someone else's head that you can truly love them as a whole.
>4MuchLove>4
Sorry if that's a little too randomly 'built'. xoxoMUAH!psiloveyou
Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-16 07:55 pm (UTC)I never intended to say that everyone cuts because they don't have a ritual for it or that we should all be dramatically thrown into adulthood. I was just thinking.
I knew people were going to disagree with me, and that's cool because I really don't know what I'm talking about. I was just hypothesizing.
Love you babe.
Re: yes
Date: 2005-10-16 07:58 pm (UTC)I know that the reasons for cutting are many and complicated, hence why I said that the lack of ritual was possibly only part of the reason.
I'm glad you don't do it anymore, whoever you are.
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Date: 2005-10-16 07:59 pm (UTC)Someday when we are face to face I will ask you about that.
*love*
Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-16 09:22 pm (UTC)I know your opinions on cutting didn't intend anything of the sort, and I will probably never understand it myself because I have never done it (and I hope I never resort to it . . . not that I could handle it - you saw me during QOTD).
I agree with most of what you said, and uh, you sound like you're defending yourself, and I didn't mean to question what you thought - I just get subjects like that and take them off on a tangeant (stating the obvious here).
I don't know, that's just what I have running around in my head about teenagers.
And now I forget what I was talking about so I shall end this.
*hugs*
>4MuchLove>4
PS ~ BOOBS!
Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-16 09:23 pm (UTC)Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-16 09:23 pm (UTC)Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-16 09:23 pm (UTC)Re: yes
Date: 2005-10-16 09:25 pm (UTC)Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-16 09:35 pm (UTC)I think no one should be thrown into adulthood dramatically. But sometimes that's what happens. And then it's either Grab Life By The Horns or FEAR sets in. (FEAR is my favorite acronym: Fuck Everything And Run.)
Sorry, yeah. Whatever. Ahh no implications just yeah whatever.
Maybe we NEED to be thrown into adulthood. Because maybe then people will start taking responsibility for their actions. And visa verca: we can be held accountable for things because it's like "it's all in the handbook" or something.
Fuck the world. Twice.
>4MuchLove>4
Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-17 05:06 am (UTC)Yays!
Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-17 05:07 am (UTC)And if you didn't question what everyone thinks, even me, then you wouldn't be you.
And I love you.
Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-17 05:08 am (UTC)Re: Uhh. . . I wrote a lot . . . and it's not directed at anyone really, it just came to mind
Date: 2005-10-17 05:08 am (UTC)